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c2ecila
Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 13

    10/23/09 at 05:21 PM
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isn't there an aldehyde group too?

PurplePpleEator
Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 41

    10/23/09 at 05:33 PM
Reply with quote#2

There is only an ester group and an alkene.  The reason that it is not an aldehyde is because the Carbon is not bonding to a hydrogen as well.  Rather it is just double bonded to an oxygen and then another Carbon and Oxygen.
c2ecila
Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 13

    10/23/09 at 08:56 PM
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i was thinking about the C=O,C-H off of the amide....Nitrogen is connected to a C with an O and H...

PurplePpleEator
Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 41

    10/24/09 at 10:52 AM
Reply with quote#4

I apologize I looked at 13a. 

I believe the reasoning behind it is that an aldehyde has a carbon double bonded to an oxygen, single bonded to a hydrogen (which are both present) and then connected to a side chain, usually represented by a R group.  Typically this R group is a carbon group and since the carbon is connected to a Nitrogen it does not fit this qualification. 
To me this is the best reasoning behind it, but I would still recommend looking into it and seeing if someone else knows more about this topic.

Once again sorry for the mix-up.
PurplePpleEator
Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 41

    10/24/09 at 03:02 PM
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In addition to that I found on Spring 2009 Exam 1 that Dr. H said that

We do not say that a more complex functional group contains a simpler

functional group.

On question 2, so that might be a more accurate reason why we ignore it.

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